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Louis Cypher/Louisa Ferra/Lucifer ([personal profile] firstofthefallen) wrote in [community profile] animus_network2012-11-25 10:30 pm

Fifth Candelabram - Voice

Seeing as how we're all so keen to talk about this new information in regards to one of our captors, and with it about sympathy for devils as a manner of speaking, let me ask something first: did anyone transcribe, or manage to save in any way, the conversations that were had with Ruana? It would be better to have a record of what was actually said and the information gained than to have to rely on memory.

As for the issue at hand that seems to have presented itself: please. Explain to me how knowing this about here changes anything? Are we meant to sympathize with her more because of her plight? Why? If she really is a "fellow experiment" she doesn't conduct herself as such and clearly doesn't view us as sharing that trait with her. Alongside this is the fact that all living beings have their own hardships and pain; there is no such thing as a painless life. To say we should reconsider our opinion of viewing her as anything but another captor is foolish if we're going to base it solely on evidence presented to us that shows us she has, in fact, had pain in her life.

Surely no one would be at fault for their actions if we knew everything anyone has ever had to endure.

Or should we empathize with her because she's a child that's gone through pain? It's always seemed odd to me, to differentiate between a child being in pain and an adult being in pain and how humans react so differently to both. Understandable that they do, but the fact is that their empathy for child blinds them. Makes them think that children are naive - or innocent is I suppose the word often used - and that they can't mean to do harm. That no child is cruel by nature. But the fact is that children are capable of cruelty. And they know it's cruelty. And don't care.

Imagine how cruel a child can be, if you haven't had to deal with some of the tests she's been responsible for yet.

I suppose my point is this: if you think Ruana is to be empathized with, or can be related too or that we might somehow find some common ground with her, you are blind. She's one of our captors, and thus an enemy, and a sympathetic enemy is still an enemy. If you want to waste the time and effort and emotion to attempt to relate or try to find ground with her I suppose that's your choice. But it's wasted effort.
morituramfides: (Of this Loneliness)

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[personal profile] morituramfides 2012-11-26 07:00 am (UTC)(link)
I'm working on copying everything down. I dug up the audio files again too.

Frankly, when I was a kid I'd try to stomp on rats in the alleyway. Good times.
warriorscribe: (Gentleness)

[personal profile] warriorscribe 2012-11-26 08:04 am (UTC)(link)
Some who grow up with pain resolve to never inflict it on others. Some do not realize that more than their lack of pain matters. The nobility of one's disposition does not make one any more or less capable of learning. I do not forget what she has done, or what she is prone to do, but treating her as a monster will only ensure she acts so. She is human, if not rather different from those of most worlds, and if there is anything humans excel at, it is learning and adapting.
alephbet: (And we won't run)

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[personal profile] alephbet 2012-11-26 04:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Of course she's an enemy.

So was Zayin.
pitiedthefool: (adachi ⚡ on this corruption)

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[personal profile] pitiedthefool 2012-11-26 06:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Of course she's sympathetic. Everyone has their own reasons, even if they're cruel and think of their actions as a game.

["It's this world that really kills them, isn't it?" "I did that stuff 'cause I could. And it got interesting, so I watched." "How many people out there actually think about what's real, or what's right and wrong?"]

She isn't the first, and she won't be the last.

Also yes a few of us are working on copying everything down.
pitiedthefool: (contemplate ⚡ thou art the one)

[personal profile] pitiedthefool 2012-11-26 06:35 pm (UTC)(link)
[Hypocrite.]

Who knows? Some may just want to see how they all tick; what makes them behave the way they do and why certain things occur within this tower.

"Keep your friends close, and enemies closer."
alephbet: (Sell your watch today)

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[personal profile] alephbet 2012-11-26 06:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Of course we can't hesitate when it comes to what we have to do to stop the experiments on us. Sometimes people we'd rather not have to stop by force make it necessary.

If it comes down to it, I'd hope most of us would pick the wellbeing of all of us in the tower, and our escape, over sympathy for her.
pitiedthefool: (rain ⚡ turned and chased them)

[personal profile] pitiedthefool 2012-11-26 06:41 pm (UTC)(link)
In my experience, it can also reveal hidden truths. It's a double-edged sword, really.
alephbet: (He's going back to war)

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[personal profile] alephbet 2012-11-26 06:42 pm (UTC)(link)
I have to train someone today, so I can't talk with you for too long.
alephbet: (And in the sea that's painted black)

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[personal profile] alephbet 2012-11-26 06:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Chihiro, one of my friends, took me up on my offer earlier. I don't know if you've met.

[And if you have you'll probably go '...Aleph that person is tiny and could barely beat a Pixie'.]
pitiedthefool: (stare ⚡ the son's disgraced)

[personal profile] pitiedthefool 2012-11-26 07:00 pm (UTC)(link)
[...So it's true for gods, angels, and demons too, huh.]

Everyone sees what they wish to see, after all.

[A disappointed truth!bowlcut, this one is.]
neverbeamemory: (Prettyboy)

[personal profile] neverbeamemory 2012-11-26 09:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Agreed. It changes nothing.

There are indeed things worse than death, and apparently no one will die next time.

Considering it something to prepare for.
justabignobody: (pic#4756230)

[personal profile] justabignobody 2012-11-26 11:02 pm (UTC)(link)
It changes perception. I suppose, before Ruana seemed a monster; now she is a person.

[Not to Riku himself; this was really his first close up encounter with her, but...

It means that things aren't quite as black and white anymore; for most people at least. (Shades of gray are nothing new to Riku at least.)]


As you said, it doesn't change the fact that she is one of our captors.

[An enemy. Riku doesn't intent to regard her any differently than before.]
warriorscribe: (Gentleness)

[personal profile] warriorscribe 2012-11-27 04:20 pm (UTC)(link)
The most beautiful thing about free will is that it is never entirely clear. Even when one does not think it is present, there is always the unexpected, and different wills can influence one another in myriad ways. She is not beyond help, because we cannot predict what will influence her.

In any case, encouraging her to distrust us can only hurt all of us, both ourselves and her, so it is best we try to work towards an understanding.
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[personal profile] divinitysoiled 2012-11-28 01:09 am (UTC)(link)
She's killed many of us, and harmed others. Those who are willing to forget that simple fact are blind. Unless she is the only way out, I see no reason not to treat her as another captor.
alephbet: (And a kite fallen from grace)

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[personal profile] alephbet 2012-11-28 02:35 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, and not yet respectively.

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