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2nd - Text; Anonymous

So I know this is kind of coming on the tail end of a big reveal I don't fully understand - I'm new here so I won't bother pretending I really understand everything about the bullcrap that just happened and ill leave that to the geniuses who do - but considering the reaction it to it brings up a question I've had for a while.

Can someone evil become good? Redeemed I guess is the word. And I don't want to debate crap like what evil and good is because if you don't know the difference you're an idiot.

I guess I just want to see if anyone thinks its something you can change about yourself. If someone who was always evil could eventually become good.

It's just

Interesting to think about I guess.

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It's entirely possible. Depends on the situation, of course, and you will never become a saint, but you can become a better person. You can learn from your past, grow beyond it, be redeemed if that's what you're aiming for. It's not easy, not in the slightest, however if you truly want to change-isn't that the nature of things, to change about?

[...uh.]

-(I +hink i+ is possib1e)
-(So 1ong as +he person unders+ands wha+ +hey have done wrong)(and ac+ive1y wan+s +o fi× +hemse1ves)
-(+oo many +imes +hese condi+ions are no+ me+)(and +hey re1apse)
-(Hence why some peop1e +hink i+s jus+ no+ possib1e)

-(I mean)(+ha+s wha+ I +hink)

People can always change themselves. However, it is important to remember that people are not wholly good or evil. They are both at the same time. The worst murderers may perform the kindest of acts now and then, and the kindest pacifist may kill quite a few people if the right button is pushed.

Everyone has good inside them, that's what I believe. [This is a subject that has been brought up with Kidou so many times before...]

I've seen bad people change for the better with my own eyes, and that's why I am willing to trust people who are "evil".

I guess.

It's just. I haven't changed in a long time. And then I started to.

And sometimes I wonder if it'll last. Like I want it to last but.

Sometimes it's like I don't know if I get to decide if it does or not.

Man.

What is up with your text.

[Yeah. Forget everything you said to him and the actual conversation. It's time to focus on your text quirk.]

But. Okay.

When it's a good guy hurting others it's because they're killing off the bad guys. And that's fine. That's, like, what heroes do. It's part of what makes them heroes. And if bad guys perform acts of kindest it's to manipulate someone.

I mean that's how it goes.

[Have fun trying to explain subjective morality to a kid stuck in the mindset of objective morality despite seeing it isn't true.]

So while it's great you're willing to give evil people a chance, you realize that could be stupid too, right?

Like some might try and do good things, but are doing it just because they want you to think they're good.

[Wait... what...]

-(Uh)(no+hings wrong wi+h i+)
-(+his is jus+ how I type)
-(If you wan+ I can s+op for +his conversa+ion)

[Don't worry. chaos is used to people not understanding this. But..why are you stuck in this mindset if you see that it isn't true, Pokey?]

That is what I am trying to explain. There is no wholly 'good guy' or 'bad guy'. People are both. So, as to your two examples, it would be a guy killing off people who would hurt others, and a guy performing an act of kindness, even if he is planning to manipulate someone. Besides..while I do not like and would never personally manipulate someone, some people have good reasons for doing so.

[chaos is thinking about Wilhelm while typing up that last part. And note the difference between 'good' and 'bad' people and good and bad reasons.]

I didn't say anything was wrong doofus I wanted to know why you were doing it. I've never seen anyone type like that before. I mean it's cool looking i guess but what's the point?

[Because of self-doubt. And self-loathing to a point. In many ways he can't imagine change is truly possible.]

But is it still kindness if it has a different purpose behind it? I mean that inherently keeps it from being good.

I guess I can understand the second point though. Sort of.

-(We11 uh +he ye11ow is +he co1or of my b1ood)
-(Where I come from peop1e can have mu1+ip1 b1ood co1ors)(and using +ha+ co1or +o +ype and wri+e wi+h is jus+ common cour+esy by +his poin+)
-(+he res+ of i+ has no poin+ rea11y)
-(I+s jus+ +o differen+ia+e if)(say)(+wo peop1e wi+h +he same b1ood co1or were +a1king)
-(I+ wou1d be easier +o +e11 which one was which if +hey +yped differen+1y)

It is still an act of kindness..but it is not as kind as it could be. However, it is still kind. The reason behind it the act is not kind, but the act itself is.

And I'm glad you could understand a little bit of what I said.

[To be honest, even though he's old, even chaos gets stumped by this every now and then.]

Yellow blood huh? That's kind of cool I guess. Like you got super powers to go along with it or anything like any other freak?

Oh yeah. Right.

So the thing is though that just because you want to change doesn't mean you can. And maybe if you do change maybe it won't stick.

I guess it's more that sometimes someone can want to be different but difference can only stick for a while, and not be permanent.

I still don't fully get what you're saying here. But maybe I will later on. I dunno.

Who decides if you've changed? That you know it's going to stick? Is there even a way to?

-(As a ma++er of fac+ mos+ ye11owb1oods do have +e1ekine+ic abi1i+ies)
-(I don+)(+hough)
-(We11)
-(+ha+s a11 +rue)
-(Some+imes i+ doesn+ s+ick as we11 as one wou1d 1ike i+ +o)
-(Bu+ in +hose cases I +hink i+ a11 comes down +o wi11power)
-(If i+ doesn+ come na+ura11y you jus+ need +o force yourse1f +o do i+ un+i1 i+ does)

Edited 2012-11-29 02:18 (UTC)

I wouldn't worry too much if you don't understand. I myself have been pondering morality for quite some time. It is not an easy task.

And pardon, but..what do you mean by 'changed'? Changed in interests, reasons, or the change from a 'bad' person into a 'good' one?

Psychics usually huh. Alright then.

Willpower. Yeah. I guess that makes sense.

If only you could buy it.

Yeah morality is kind of a jerk. Right along with mortality. Is there anything good that stars with the letter M?

Bad to good, I guess. Or been redeemed.

Like even if you've been forgiven by someone you wronged....is that enough?

-(Ac+ua11y +ha+ wou1d make +hings a 1o+ harder in +he 1ong run)
-(If on1y peop1e wi+h money cou1d have wi11power)(+hey probab1y wou1d no+ use i+ +o he1p +hose 1ess for+una+e +han +hem)
-(Of course +here are some befac+ors in every genera+ion)(bu+)
-(Yeah)

[Soooomeone grew up in the poorhouse.]

Morality is just interesting and is worth a long, hard look. And..mortality is not something to be feared, even if it is sad. And there are plenty of good things that start with the letter 'm'. Music, magic tricks, and mice, for example.

[And Mary.]

Since people are not wholly 'good' or 'evil', the question of flipping sides is invalid. At least..for me. If you believed that people were either 'good' or 'evil', then I would say that they could flip sides quite easily. However, they must choose to do so.

And if you feel guilty over your actions, seeking forgiveness from the hurt person or party might help everyone feel better..but you must also forgive yourself if you still feel terrible.

Yeah.

You're right. Money isn't exactly the best. Hard as that is to imagine.

So if you're not human, what are you?

-(I+ has i+s uses)(bu+ i+ is a1so remarkab1y prone +o corrup+ing)
-(Anyway)
-(Im par+ of a species ca11ed a +ro11)(youve probab1y seen one in +his +ower before)
-(We are +he peop1e wi+h +he grey skin and horns)

Music is lame, so are mice. And magic tricks are overrated.

[Someone is a sour boy.]

Who said I feel terrible. I feel fine.

I just

wonder

about it.

You keep saying there are people who aren't fully good or evil but I've seen both. So I kind of have to disagree with you there.

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