2nd - Text; Anonymous

[ceasetoexist]

So I know this is kind of coming on the tail end of a big reveal I don't fully understand - I'm new here so I won't bother pretending I really understand everything about the bullcrap that just happened and ill leave that to the geniuses who do - but considering the reaction it to it brings up a question I've had for a while.

Can someone evil become good? Redeemed I guess is the word. And I don't want to debate crap like what evil and good is because if you don't know the difference you're an idiot.

I guess I just want to see if anyone thinks its something you can change about yourself. If someone who was always evil could eventually become good.

It's just

Interesting to think about I guess.

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[ex_depaysement502]

It's entirely possible. Depends on the situation, of course, and you will never become a saint, but you can become a better person. You can learn from your past, grow beyond it, be redeemed if that's what you're aiming for. It's not easy, not in the slightest, however if you truly want to change-isn't that the nature of things, to change about?

[ceasetoexist]

I guess.

It's just. I haven't changed in a long time. And then I started to.

And sometimes I wonder if it'll last. Like I want it to last but.

Sometimes it's like I don't know if I get to decide if it does or not.

[ex_depaysement502]

It'll last if you want it to. If you fall back into your old habits, it'll naturally fade away, but if you continue trying to be better, it will strengthen.

[geometry]

[...uh.]

-(I +hink i+ is possib1e)
-(So 1ong as +he person unders+ands wha+ +hey have done wrong)(and ac+ive1y wan+s +o fi× +hemse1ves)
-(+oo many +imes +hese condi+ions are no+ me+)(and +hey re1apse)
-(Hence why some peop1e +hink i+s jus+ no+ possib1e)

-(I mean)(+ha+s wha+ I +hink)

[ceasetoexist]

Man.

What is up with your text.

[Yeah. Forget everything you said to him and the actual conversation. It's time to focus on your text quirk.]

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[Wait... what...]

-(Uh)(no+hings wrong wi+h i+)
-(+his is jus+ how I type)
-(If you wan+ I can s+op for +his conversa+ion)

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[lightofhumanity]

People can always change themselves. However, it is important to remember that people are not wholly good or evil. They are both at the same time. The worst murderers may perform the kindest of acts now and then, and the kindest pacifist may kill quite a few people if the right button is pushed.

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[ceasetoexist]

But. Okay.

When it's a good guy hurting others it's because they're killing off the bad guys. And that's fine. That's, like, what heroes do. It's part of what makes them heroes. And if bad guys perform acts of kindest it's to manipulate someone.

I mean that's how it goes.

[Have fun trying to explain subjective morality to a kid stuck in the mindset of objective morality despite seeing it isn't true.]

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[lightofhumanity]

[Don't worry. chaos is used to people not understanding this. But..why are you stuck in this mindset if you see that it isn't true, Pokey?]

That is what I am trying to explain. There is no wholly 'good guy' or 'bad guy'. People are both. So, as to your two examples, it would be a guy killing off people who would hurt others, and a guy performing an act of kindness, even if he is planning to manipulate someone. Besides..while I do not like and would never personally manipulate someone, some people have good reasons for doing so.

[chaos is thinking about Wilhelm while typing up that last part. And note the difference between 'good' and 'bad' people and good and bad reasons.]

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[pengeen]

Everyone has good inside them, that's what I believe. [This is a subject that has been brought up with Kidou so many times before...]

I've seen bad people change for the better with my own eyes, and that's why I am willing to trust people who are "evil".

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[ceasetoexist]

So while it's great you're willing to give evil people a chance, you realize that could be stupid too, right?

Like some might try and do good things, but are doing it just because they want you to think they're good.

[papshooshing]

YOU ARE THE GRUBFUCKING IDIOT HERE.
DIFFERENT CULTURES HAVE DIFFERENT DEFINITIONS OF GOOD AND EVIL AND IF YOU FAIL TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT
THEN MAYBE YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE WHAT IT TAKES TO CHANGE SOMEONE'S DISPOSITION AND/OR WAY OF LIFE.

[ceasetoexist]

Yes thank you.

What I wanted was a culture argument.

I don't care about what your culture accepts as good and evil. There are things that are inherently right and inherently wrong and if you're going to try and talk to me about how you're part of some culture that embraces and loves murder or some crap I don't want to hear about it.

You want to be happy with that culture, or whatever your culture is? That's your business. But it ain't mine. Get it out of my face.

[eighteen_winters]

I'd like to think so. I used to hate the entire world and wanted to kill those responsible for my misery.

But I've given that up.

[ceasetoexist]

I can relate.

Why'd you give it up?

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[justabignobody]

Yes, I believe they can. If they put an effort into, anyone can change themselves.

It won't happen over night though.

[Redemption is a hard road to travel; Riku would know.]

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[ceasetoexist]

No kidding.

But when do you know? I mean. Do you ever know if you've really changed, I guess? Like you can always think you have.

But you could also be wrong.

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[friendlyfiend]

Any being capable of choice is capable of change.

Not always easily, voluntarily, or without consequences, but it's never impossible- only unlikely.

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[ceasetoexist]

Not voluntary. Heh. I guess that makes sense.

But sometimes it can just...happen, right? And maybe you don't even realize it's happening.

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[semipotence]

hmmmm...
it could take a lot of time and a lot of hard work
and depending on what the person did, it might take a while for them to gain peoples trust
but yes, i think its possible!

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[ceasetoexist]

So. Let me ask you something.

Why do you think it's possible?

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[temptestament]

I don't believe in absolute good and evil. Everyone has reasons for what they do, some of them are just more selfish than others.

But I do think people's motivations can change, and their outlook too. Actually, I once knew a guy who was one of the cruelest, most insane people I'd ever met. He pretty much hated everyone. He's still not exactly a philanthropist, but he's someone I can almost call a friend.

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[ceasetoexist]

I don't know if I'll ever stop believing in absolutes. It's something too inbred in me, I guess. I just can't not imagine it.





But sometimes I guess. I can imagine change can happen.

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[deathboss]

Hell yeah they can!

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[ceasetoexist]

That wasn't the exact kind of response I was expecting but sure.

Kinda gotta know what makes you so gung-ho and sure about it though.