Sixth Candelbram - Voice

[firstofthefallen]

What is strength to you, or what it is to be strong?

Alternatively, who is it that has right to rulership, or to command? Do you agree with the sentiment that those who are strong are superior and thus have greater rights than those who are weak?

And if that is the case: may the weak become strong?

Comments

[egotrigger]

Strength is less to do with physical strength and more to do with endurance and the willingness to do the right thing. Someone can be the strongest person in the world, win every battle... but if they don't have the ability to direct that strength for the good of all, then it's not real strength.

... I can't really speak to who has the right to rule, though.

[Not when he's been more or less following orders all of his life.]

I'd hope that those in charge are the ones that have everyone's best interests at heart, though.

[firstofthefallen]

It's a combination of all those. Physical, emotional, and mental.

To direct it for the good of all is pointless. It's a definition no one can provide as the rights of some will always be driven down and taken away no matter what you might do. Only a fool believes things can be done for the good of all.

[egotrigger]

The attempt should at least be made. Someone who only thinks of himself is not a very good ruler.

[firstofthefallen]

What a foolish sentiment.

Either they do something for the "good of all" or they do it only for themselves? Tell me. How do you ensure you do something for the good of all, when there are so many different factors among different peoples, and to do one thing for one group will surely anger another?

[egotrigger]

The good of most, then. The good of the people you're trying to lead, at least. There are solutions that benefit most people and harm the least amount of people, and those are the ones that should be pursued.

[firstofthefallen]

Who defines who "the most" is? You?

The most could be 50% of the people or it could be 20% with the divisions that exist between among living things when we talk of those who find agreement in things. What you want is impossible to ensure, and only a child would believe in it.

[egotrigger]

I'm aware that realistically that doesn't work out. However it is ideally what should be kept in mind. Working towards an ideal doesn't mean thinking that the ideal is reality.

I know that leaders are corrupt and try to do what's best for themselves, and I know that people get hurt no matter what's done. But I want to minimize the amount of people who are hurt by decisions like that, which is why I fight to bring an end to war. Decisions made because of conflicts between countries have caused millions of lost lives. It needs to be stopped.

[firstofthefallen]

And I have asked repeatedly now: how?

You state what is "good", like a child. Over and over again. And like a child you provide no answer to how we're meant to get to this point.

Provide me something worth debating or go.