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animus_network2012-11-25 10:30 pm
firstofthefallen) wrote in animus_network2012-11-25 10:30 pm
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Fifth Candelabram - Voice
Seeing as how we're all so keen to talk about this new information in regards to one of our captors, and with it about sympathy for devils as a manner of speaking, let me ask something first: did anyone transcribe, or manage to save in any way, the conversations that were had with Ruana? It would be better to have a record of what was actually said and the information gained than to have to rely on memory.
As for the issue at hand that seems to have presented itself: please. Explain to me how knowing this about here changes anything? Are we meant to sympathize with her more because of her plight? Why? If she really is a "fellow experiment" she doesn't conduct herself as such and clearly doesn't view us as sharing that trait with her. Alongside this is the fact that all living beings have their own hardships and pain; there is no such thing as a painless life. To say we should reconsider our opinion of viewing her as anything but another captor is foolish if we're going to base it solely on evidence presented to us that shows us she has, in fact, had pain in her life.
Surely no one would be at fault for their actions if we knew everything anyone has ever had to endure.
Or should we empathize with her because she's a child that's gone through pain? It's always seemed odd to me, to differentiate between a child being in pain and an adult being in pain and how humans react so differently to both. Understandable that they do, but the fact is that their empathy for child blinds them. Makes them think that children are naive - or innocent is I suppose the word often used - and that they can't mean to do harm. That no child is cruel by nature. But the fact is that children are capable of cruelty. And they know it's cruelty. And don't care.
Imagine how cruel a child can be, if you haven't had to deal with some of the tests she's been responsible for yet.
I suppose my point is this: if you think Ruana is to be empathized with, or can be related too or that we might somehow find some common ground with her, you are blind. She's one of our captors, and thus an enemy, and a sympathetic enemy is still an enemy. If you want to waste the time and effort and emotion to attempt to relate or try to find ground with her I suppose that's your choice. But it's wasted effort.
As for the issue at hand that seems to have presented itself: please. Explain to me how knowing this about here changes anything? Are we meant to sympathize with her more because of her plight? Why? If she really is a "fellow experiment" she doesn't conduct herself as such and clearly doesn't view us as sharing that trait with her. Alongside this is the fact that all living beings have their own hardships and pain; there is no such thing as a painless life. To say we should reconsider our opinion of viewing her as anything but another captor is foolish if we're going to base it solely on evidence presented to us that shows us she has, in fact, had pain in her life.
Surely no one would be at fault for their actions if we knew everything anyone has ever had to endure.
Or should we empathize with her because she's a child that's gone through pain? It's always seemed odd to me, to differentiate between a child being in pain and an adult being in pain and how humans react so differently to both. Understandable that they do, but the fact is that their empathy for child blinds them. Makes them think that children are naive - or innocent is I suppose the word often used - and that they can't mean to do harm. That no child is cruel by nature. But the fact is that children are capable of cruelty. And they know it's cruelty. And don't care.
Imagine how cruel a child can be, if you haven't had to deal with some of the tests she's been responsible for yet.
I suppose my point is this: if you think Ruana is to be empathized with, or can be related too or that we might somehow find some common ground with her, you are blind. She's one of our captors, and thus an enemy, and a sympathetic enemy is still an enemy. If you want to waste the time and effort and emotion to attempt to relate or try to find ground with her I suppose that's your choice. But it's wasted effort.
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I'm uncertain why this should change anything. As I said, I fear no reprisal.
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Do you not worry that your blatant show of manipulation will cause her to distrust everyone, even those with better intent, and to lose any hope of any understanding, genuine or not?
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No. I do not. Nor do I care.