[To question God is not something that is ever common to her, not where she comes from. Not when she's done so much murder in His name, too many questions of that kind amounted to heresy, and that was a death too unpleasant. But all the same, she was devout to her very core. She just believed -- and knew -- men to corrupt the purposes of God to their own ends. She knows the answer in England would be the same no matter the division of Catholic or Protestant, and their division constantly irked her when it came to the same: God is good, God is great. Praise be to God, for it is proper to praise Him. She knew even the blackamoor's all the way from the coasts of Africa would say the same of their Allah.
Not that she would ever say God was king or giving. She had listened to the screams for mercy, and there had been none. But God didn't order those innocents killed, her sister and her brother and her father had. But God hadn't stopped it either, so they continued to say it was His Will.
With all that in mind, she forms what seems only the tip of a huge iceberg, one that was a thorn in her side. Of where you held faith, you held love -- and that was more important than fear or money. She'd learned to carefully wield that tool of faith, and she hoped God would forgive her for having to manipulate in such a way. Still her words are said in careful review, going through laws and treaties that she had seen over. For she was Defender of the Faith. Not that he was attacking in the least. Though the question seemed too simple really. Too simple for something not simple at all.]
He is God, He is the one thing higher than all men, no matter their ranking. The only equalizer that holds as true as death, for we must all die and we must all face God after at the Gates. I believe He is... to many, necessary not just for personal belief and the hope that is given to a great many that are otherwise hopeless... But for the greater purposes of forming moral codes and stand points by which we may better ourselves, and the lives of those around us. The laws and ethical questions in which God is our teacher, are imperative not just to the person, but to society as a whole.
[her lips twisted a little, amusement there for but a second.] Though of course, to a divine being, what are these thoughts of man and other creatures? Surely as He is omnipotent, he is aware of all such things without being said. Why do you question other's thoughts of God, if I may be so bold?
[In return for her video she gets one of him - winged, clawed, and distinctly inhuman. He lounges rather than stands, though it's hard to stand without feet anyway.]
If He is omnipotent, why are we here?
[And then, he chuckles, though nothing funny has been said.] Oh, no reason to ask. I just work for the devil.
[He was never a liar except by necessity. When he does not care what someone thinks, there is no necessity.]
[She's doing her absolute best not to be rude, no daughter of court is ever so inclined. Though there is a good few seconds of rather horrified staring that turns into blatant curiosity once she processes completely what he said.
Her return question comes out easily, too sharp a mind to not want to know.]
And did the devil grant you such a form? [she blinks, shakes herself a little and then goes back to what he said initially.] I am not sure, for I am not God. I am merely a woman.
Demons don't need Lucifer's permission for their own forms.
Surely a kind and loving God wouldn't let this tower continue to exist, would He? It does no good in the world and its horrors have broken men and women beyond all recognition. [Lucifer among them.]
[she snorts in amusement.] God is not kind, and God is not loving. It was Christ that stilled his Holy Wrath as he was persecuted, not God himself. God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, had the first born sons of Egypt killed, destroyed the tower of Babel, flooded the earth so thousands perished. He commands great hosts and reigns down destruction upon those who displease him. If you truly are a demon as they say, how can you not know of this?
He is Just. That is not the same thing as being kind, any one who has been closer to rulers knows that. Such arguments make no sense when you look at such matters in greater review. It could be very probable if God does have a hand in this, it is either to test, or to punish.
Believe me, I know there is no loving God. But I don't believe in a just one either. I believe in a God with no right to punish us - we've done nothing worthy of this.
But He created us? Who are we to say? I have seen humans beat their dogs. [maybe because he was a demon, that was why he did. But it seemed fairly plain to her.] He is God, not a strutting peacock that you can bring down to your own level and demand retribution from like he is a common thief, laws are for common men. Even sometimes of Kings. They are not for God.
Not very long at all -- but I think what you've got to say, I already know. We face imprisonment, and we will endure cruel, violent tortures with no sense or pattern, am I correct so far? [she has no true comprehension of the violence of it beyond what she's been through. Years waiting on the edge of an executioner's blade. Waiting, waiting, waiting, knowing any day might be her last.
But she laughs again, far more dryly, and it builds harshly for a moment. Because this is ridiculous to her mind.] A demon, you a demon and you say you have not done anything worth punishing! You are by your very nature in God's eyes that which is largely described as unwholesome at the very best, a fallen creature in all texts no matter their type -- at worst an abomination by sheer virtue of existence that serves the Great Serpent. Not that it is my business or my care what you have done -- merely you of all should know what lies and deceit and treachery are in men's hearts? Think you have the right to decide what is worth punishment or not? You are as presumptuous as you accuse God of being! Men are cruel, women are capricious, it is our nature.
But it is that punishment that keeps us in line, take that away and men will fall to their own nature's unless you give them something more not just to fear but to love. God may yet love us back, and it is just as important. [and she already knows she's done terrible things. Murder and assassination and depriving children of father's and men of their heads. She is no saint, and if this is her toll, then so be it. She'd suffer it in silence, as ever. But she's humbled by her power, to command such love of her people, and she knows she must continue to earn that love. She envies God, in some ways, for making it seem so easy to command that heart's of men.]
God will never love you back. Not one person has received His love, not even his only son.
God has never had the right to be above us as if our nature was something worth punishment, to be shoved and kept in corners and hidden away. Humans are beautiful creatures, even in their weakness. But under a tyrant they are nothing more than slaves.
And God has never had the right to keep us here for a thousand years with no hope of release in sight.
[Her eyebrows went up, and then sneered just a little. Her disbelief turning to incredulence so quickly.]
I was not aware demons were stupid as well as every other sin.
God spared mankind on his son's wish! His son asked God to forgive, and so God stilled his wrath. That is more love than I would have spared if anyone did so to my only child. You have a poor understanding of love. If anyone dared to hurt my child in such a way, by everything I hold dear, I would make the world suffer for it. But he stepped higher, to step aside.
You make no sense, you say that God should not interfere at all, should not make us slaves to his will, yet perhaps this place as you say, is not God's creation, but then -- then! -- you say God should release you from it.
How does that make even the slightest bit of sense? What sort of twisted double standard do you live by?
[Alright, she knew exactly, because she too was subjected too it. Do not tell the people what to believe, what to feel. Do not punish them for their hearts -- but by God if one thing went wrong, how cruel they called her for not protecting them. It made her too brittle.]
I never said that it wasn't God's creation. No, this place of despair and abominations exactly suits the God I know.
What makes you so sure that you know the story of the world better than I do? Were you there? Or are you so far removed from the time of Christ that anything could have occurred then, and the stories would have warped so far that they are unrecognizable now?
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Not that she would ever say God was king or giving. She had listened to the screams for mercy, and there had been none. But God didn't order those innocents killed, her sister and her brother and her father had. But God hadn't stopped it either, so they continued to say it was His Will.
With all that in mind, she forms what seems only the tip of a huge iceberg, one that was a thorn in her side. Of where you held faith, you held love -- and that was more important than fear or money. She'd learned to carefully wield that tool of faith, and she hoped God would forgive her for having to manipulate in such a way. Still her words are said in careful review, going through laws and treaties that she had seen over. For she was Defender of the Faith. Not that he was attacking in the least. Though the question seemed too simple really. Too simple for something not simple at all.]
He is God, He is the one thing higher than all men, no matter their ranking. The only equalizer that holds as true as death, for we must all die and we must all face God after at the Gates. I believe He is... to many, necessary not just for personal belief and the hope that is given to a great many that are otherwise hopeless... But for the greater purposes of forming moral codes and stand points by which we may better ourselves, and the lives of those around us. The laws and ethical questions in which God is our teacher, are imperative not just to the person, but to society as a whole.
[her lips twisted a little, amusement there for but a second.] Though of course, to a divine being, what are these thoughts of man and other creatures? Surely as He is omnipotent, he is aware of all such things without being said. Why do you question other's thoughts of God, if I may be so bold?
video;
If He is omnipotent, why are we here?
[And then, he chuckles, though nothing funny has been said.] Oh, no reason to ask. I just work for the devil.
[He was never a liar except by necessity. When he does not care what someone thinks, there is no necessity.]
video;
Her return question comes out easily, too sharp a mind to not want to know.]
And did the devil grant you such a form? [she blinks, shakes herself a little and then goes back to what he said initially.] I am not sure, for I am not God. I am merely a woman.
video;
Surely a kind and loving God wouldn't let this tower continue to exist, would He? It does no good in the world and its horrors have broken men and women beyond all recognition. [Lucifer among them.]
video;
[she snorts in amusement.] God is not kind, and God is not loving. It was Christ that stilled his Holy Wrath as he was persecuted, not God himself. God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, had the first born sons of Egypt killed, destroyed the tower of Babel, flooded the earth so thousands perished. He commands great hosts and reigns down destruction upon those who displease him. If you truly are a demon as they say, how can you not know of this?
He is Just. That is not the same thing as being kind, any one who has been closer to rulers knows that. Such arguments make no sense when you look at such matters in greater review. It could be very probable if God does have a hand in this, it is either to test, or to punish.
video;
How long have you been here?
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Not very long at all -- but I think what you've got to say, I already know. We face imprisonment, and we will endure cruel, violent tortures with no sense or pattern, am I correct so far? [she has no true comprehension of the violence of it beyond what she's been through. Years waiting on the edge of an executioner's blade. Waiting, waiting, waiting, knowing any day might be her last.
But she laughs again, far more dryly, and it builds harshly for a moment. Because this is ridiculous to her mind.] A demon, you a demon and you say you have not done anything worth punishing! You are by your very nature in God's eyes that which is largely described as unwholesome at the very best, a fallen creature in all texts no matter their type -- at worst an abomination by sheer virtue of existence that serves the Great Serpent. Not that it is my business or my care what you have done -- merely you of all should know what lies and deceit and treachery are in men's hearts? Think you have the right to decide what is worth punishment or not? You are as presumptuous as you accuse God of being! Men are cruel, women are capricious, it is our nature.
But it is that punishment that keeps us in line, take that away and men will fall to their own nature's unless you give them something more not just to fear but to love. God may yet love us back, and it is just as important. [and she already knows she's done terrible things. Murder and assassination and depriving children of father's and men of their heads. She is no saint, and if this is her toll, then so be it. She'd suffer it in silence, as ever. But she's humbled by her power, to command such love of her people, and she knows she must continue to earn that love. She envies God, in some ways, for making it seem so easy to command that heart's of men.]
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God will never love you back. Not one person has received His love, not even his only son.
God has never had the right to be above us as if our nature was something worth punishment, to be shoved and kept in corners and hidden away. Humans are beautiful creatures, even in their weakness. But under a tyrant they are nothing more than slaves.
And God has never had the right to keep us here for a thousand years with no hope of release in sight.
video;
I was not aware demons were stupid as well as every other sin.
God spared mankind on his son's wish! His son asked God to forgive, and so God stilled his wrath. That is more love than I would have spared if anyone did so to my only child. You have a poor understanding of love. If anyone dared to hurt my child in such a way, by everything I hold dear, I would make the world suffer for it. But he stepped higher, to step aside.
You make no sense, you say that God should not interfere at all, should not make us slaves to his will, yet perhaps this place as you say, is not God's creation, but then -- then! -- you say God should release you from it.
How does that make even the slightest bit of sense? What sort of twisted double standard do you live by?
[Alright, she knew exactly, because she too was subjected too it. Do not tell the people what to believe, what to feel. Do not punish them for their hearts -- but by God if one thing went wrong, how cruel they called her for not protecting them. It made her too brittle.]
video;
What makes you so sure that you know the story of the world better than I do? Were you there? Or are you so far removed from the time of Christ that anything could have occurred then, and the stories would have warped so far that they are unrecognizable now?