2nd Candelabram - Text

[firstofthefallen]

A question.

Let us humor our captors and say that they are telling us the truth that our worlds are destroyed. Let us then assume we have only two places we can be: we might stay here, in this Tower for however long that may last or we might attempt to break out.

The Tower, while a cage, offers a sense of security. There are constant meals and general protection from what lies outside it's walls. We are, however, at the beck and call of the people who run the Tower and their whims. Yet with them you could say it's the devil you know, and know that their torment and cruelty would be as consistent as the stability they offer.

So assume a means of leaving this is found and we might venture out, and that what is outside is in fact inhabitable. But what we venture out into is a vast unknown and the only information we do have is that creatures like the ones who invaded here - and many more of them - roam the outside world. It would be a harsh, dangerous world. But also one with possibilities that could not be explored here. With freedom not to be found between these walls.

So given the choice if the chance of going home is out of the question, what do you choose: stability or freedom?

Comments

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[alephbet]

Freedom. Always freedom.

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[firstofthefallen]

I'm not surprised.

But it's good to hear regardless.

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[viditlibertas]

No environment is so harsh as to deter mankind for long, hm?

Until I have seen their true wish, I will follow man wherever their will takes them.

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[firstofthefallen]

Not in the grand scheme of things, no. Not long at all.

And do you believe your wish will always align with theirs, however?

[foreseeing_one]

What is stability in pain and anxiety? I would rather take the chance to move n.

[firstofthefallen]

All systems require a sacrifice. This is a truth. There is no such thing as a belief or a system that is all encompassing in and of itself.

And pain and anxiety are things you'll find follow every system. It's merely a question of which reduces it the most. Some would find the unknown to be a greater cause for it then obvious torture.

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[technologic]

I would choose freedom.

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[firstofthefallen]

Why do you choose it?

If you were to stay here you would not be safe. But you would be far safer than what might await you outside.

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[vvvroom]

Yeah, I'll take exploring a new area over staying here any day of the week.

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[firstofthefallen]

It's a bit beyond simple exploration, though I can at least commend you for being willing.

To stay in one place too long, a cage or not, is to stagnate.

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[cant_be_tamed]

Well, exploring's practically my middle name by now, so I'd be up for it, and I'm no stranger to fighting monsters.

I'd be worried about the people who can't fight, but I'd do my best to protect them!

[Voice]

[firstofthefallen]

Would you?

If it came between saving yourself and saving a complete stranger from danger if there was an attack, which would you choose?

[hachitaro]

Freedom. A support system for those who need it in the form of people who can heal and people who can hunt, but freedom.

[firstofthefallen]

The support system in the end will be a hindrance. Those who truly crave freedom will manage to find it on their own.

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[worldrestored]

You already know my answer to that question.

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[firstofthefallen]

I do.

It pleases me, considering the other options you could have taken. My gamble was not without its reward.

[Though as far as he's concerned you still didn't choose the best path. But he'll take what you did.]

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[imperialsun]

As the saying goes, 'Nothing ventured, nothing gained.'

[Voice]

[firstofthefallen]

That's a simplistic way to look at it.

In some ways I feel it's the best way to do so.

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[keeps_count]

Freedom. I would not call the things we go through here and being provided for as though we were children or pets, to be living.

[firstofthefallen]

Yet I've known some who would be quite pleased by it.

I'm surprised that none here have spoken up in favor of stability so far. And pleased.

[hardknoxlife]

Blimey, that's a tough one.

[ Small sigh as he thinks about it. ]

I'd rather be out there though, thanks. Anywhere's better'n here. Bleeding tower owners thinking they can do whatever they damn well choose... 'nuff to drive a bloke mad, I tell you.

[firstofthefallen]

Yet consider this:

If our captors really did bring us here because our worlds had been destroyed, this place might very well be a sanctuary in earnest and thus despite their cruel behavior towards us it might well be earnest in its intent to be altruistic.

Would that consideration not sway your judgment at all?

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[immortalia]

Freedom. Why would anyone willingly submit themselves to being in a cage for longer than intended?

[ Sounds like she has some experience with that! ]

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[firstofthefallen]

Because they fear going outside the cage. And whatever cruelty they may endure there are still benefits to being there that may disappear once the cage has been left.

[text] (Bad spelling and grammar is deliberate)

[littlesound]

thats a horible question (ーー;)

both those things are bad!!! we are gonna go home some day!!!

but if MAYBE if we have to pick those two things.... Sonata would go out! with lots of friends to make it safe!!!

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[firstofthefallen]

Safety in numbers is often a lie. It only adds to safety if those in the group are capable, and capable of working with each other.

Thus it's best to be able to work by yourself.

[text] Not sure what Luci's name display is, just asked the mods if display names can be changed

[warriorscribe]

If those were our only options, I would join and protect the mass exodus. But I would much rather see us either reach an understanding with our hosts or find a way to use the technology contained here, and thus have both.

((ooc: But until then I'm keeping his responses vague - recognition (or lack thereof) will happen when answers do. If that's all right with you! Of course, if you have your own ideas...))

[text] For now let's say Louis but that is a very good question

[firstofthefallen]

You can never have both.

You may have one or you may have the other.

[This is a fact as far as Lucifer is concerned. To have both would require compromise, and Lucifer is as unwilling to consider that as YHVH would be.]

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[great_king_of_evil]

What is the point of your question? It is obvious they're all going to tell you freedom. It is what they like to believe they would chose. The thought comforts them. And yet most if not all of them come from worlds where they traded their freedom for stability. They do not even realize it, but they have never experienced freedom.

Faced with an hypothesis, all of them will go with freedom of course. Faced with an actual offer, at least half of them would go with stability. And after a period of that freedom? The remaining half would beg for stability back.

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[firstofthefallen]

The point is I wish to hear the answers.

What you speak of is normal for humans. Humanity wishes most of all to have what they perceive to be freedom, even if it isn't freedom at all. But not all creatures are human and do not have the same desires mankind does. All might want freedom but existences process it other ways.

Though what you say is true. Many will go for stability. But to beg for stability for those who do seek freedom?

I believe they will continue to wish to desire to be free. I have seen it.

wow I'm late

[pitiedthefool]

Freedom. [Short, simple, and to the point. At least initially...]

It may be easier to blind ourselves, to choose a vague sense of security, but that's just it... Even then, there are no guarantees.

Ignorance isn't bliss.

Never late

[firstofthefallen]

Ignorance is the most painful thing possible.

The ignorant just try and convince themselves they aren't in pain.