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[great_king_of_evil]

I have noticed many amongst us appear concerned about Ruana's next step, namely her siphoning of the souls left on dead worlds.

I can and do understand the will to oppose Ruana, I encourage it. However, this desire I have witnessed of saving the lost souls is quite intriguing, if not misplaced. The vast majority of these souls are people we have never met and will most likely never meet. For that matter we did not even know they existed before stepping into this tower, nor did we have any thoughts for them before seeing that message.

They have had whatsoever no impact on our lives and never will they have any. Nothing binds them to us and what fate will befall them, ultimately is none of our concern. It is their own fight while we have our own fights. Hence I have only one question:

Why do you care?

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[seekinganswers]

Probably because most of us are well-adjusted enough to not want to let millions of people cease to exist when we could do something about it.

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[great_king_of_evil]

And yet you did not answer my question: why do you care? These people are nothing to you or to any of us.

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[puppy_lancer]

fuck you
ever think one of us actually do know the souls involved?

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[great_king_of_evil]

I do hence my use of the term "the vast majority" as opposed to "the entirety".

I don't understand why you may desire to save the souls you know. However, the vast majority you do not and they are the topic of my question.

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[fionnuisce]

Very well, I'll assume this is a serious question and not a distinct sign of a narcissist and/or sociopath.

I care because I do know some of the souls to which you refer. I know and care about people who know and care about them in turn, and dislike the idea of seeing my friends suffer in any capacity.

As to the ones I don't know and may never meet? I feel a sense of empathy for the lost and victimized. Those who would be hurt by forces such as Ruana are those I wish to protect. Even if this new information were not a factor I would still have sought methods to restore their worlds as well as our own.

[great_king_of_evil]

You would be correct to assume this is a serious question as well as to assume your interlocutor is a narcissist and maybe even a sociopath, given what meaning you grant to the word. You would be incorrect however to associate a negative connotation with those words.

As I mentioned to one before you, I understand to an extent why you would wish to save those you have known. The topic of my question is those you have never known.

You have mentioned empathy. It is interesting. Your sense of empathy is what drives you to want save them. But how, how can you feel empathy for people you have never met, people who means nothing for you. For all you know, people who would mindlessly kill you if given the chance.

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[colonial]

it's the right thing to do I think

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[great_king_of_evil]

"The right thing to do."

What is your reasoning behind this?

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[fragileprophet]

Regardless of whether or not a given individual has any impact on my life, I personally believe that each and every one of them has the right to live...a right which is currently being withheld from them. Perhaps it is not my place to fight for their salvation, but if I were to knowingly leave countless souls to such a fate it would weigh heavily upon my conscience.

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[great_king_of_evil]

So it is not the will to save them that truly drives you, but the need to give yourself a good conscience?

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[greyerrant]

Because every life, and every soul is important.

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[great_king_of_evil]

Going by your reasoning, even the soul of the one behind the destruction of the worlds?

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[nobarnacles]

Some of us aren't cold-hearted enough to let them all die.

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[great_king_of_evil]

Countless people die everyday everywhere. Going by your definition, all sentient beings are cold-hearted.

What is cold-hearted about taking care of your own burdens and leaving others to fend for themselves?

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[tohko_amano]

Because they're suffering too. Even if I don't know all the trapped souls, I still don't like the thought of people being devoured to power a horrible person. They may be far away, but their fight is our fight, even if they can't really fight where they are right now.

I know that we might not be able to save all of them, or even any of them..but it's better to worry and try to save all of them that we can, even if we don't know most of them. I wouldn't want them to be eaten.

[great_king_of_evil]

Wouldn't it be better to focus on saving what we know we can save, instead of focusing on trying to accomplish an impossible task?

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[notsogrimreaper]

None of those people are meant to die yet. They deserve as much of a chance at life as we have.

Maybe we don't know all of them, but a good person doesn't let that stop them from helping people in need.

[Minato died for billions of people who will never know him, after all. Ryoji wouldn't hesitate to do the same.]

[great_king_of_evil]

What is a good person? Someone heading into a lost situation and dooming everyone, or accepting sacrifices in order to do what is within the realm of possibilities?

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[earthshards]

Because some of us still have hearts capable of caring for the welfare of those we've never met.

[Anon is almost out of fucks to give.] Some of us have family and friends trapped in the dead worlds, and don't want them to suffer more than they already are. Some of us are horrified at the thought of our closest ties being used as nothing more than batteries.

[great_king_of_evil]

I can understand to an extent the need to protect those close to you.

What startles me is this will to protect people with no meaning to us.

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[darkestsatisfaction]

I'm just interested in having her hands off a few souls in particular. [Namely the people that Kiryu got beef with himself. ...And maybe the rest of the Dark Signer, because he's got some loyalty there.] Everyone else can rot in hell though.

[great_king_of_evil]

I see. I can respect that much.

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[pitiedthefool]

[...Oh no you didn't, anon. Oh no you didn't just go there with so many people in the tower who still give a damn--]

There are many who have returned to their original, destroyed worlds that those who remain count as friends. Whether or not we knew them before we came here or not, it is the horrors many in these halls and floors have faced that brought them together. No matter who or what they were before being brought here, those bonds - like a very few things that remain real outside of the glamour - remain true to those who cling to them; fleeting and fragile as they can be.

It is because of these bonds, or maybe a desire to protect others - to stand up for those who can't - and the others listed above that so many care. While these and many other reasons can be selfish to some, one more thought that is even more selfish comes to mind:

If she sends us home, our own fates won't be as different as theirs.

[great_king_of_evil]

So you admit you act only out of a selfish feeling, and not out of some so-called altruism and goodness.

Very well.

However, if she sent us home, I wouldn't count on anyone here to fight for our fates. You have to be able to fight for yourself. If you cannot, then you deserve to die.

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[prayed]

I knew some of them back home. Saving the ones that I'll never see again would be a nice bonus, I guess, but looking out for your allies is just common sense.

If I get kicked out of this place, I don't wanna have to worry about my soul being a snack. Well, I don't expect that to happen, so that leaves the most important thing. Once she's gotten rid of all those people, she's probably gonna sink her fangs into the ones that are left in the tower. I dunno about you, but I don't want to get sucked dry here any more than I do there.

[great_king_of_evil]

So you want to save them only because you assume if you do not, you are next on the list?

This is certainly the most sensed reasoning I have yet read.

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[funnystory]

I don't.

But people get mad if you say that, so I don't.

[great_king_of_evil]

I see. Under these circumstances, a wise course of action.

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[integrous]

Isn't the answer easy? I mean, just turn it around! Why don't you care?

[ Then again, Asahi is just a bleeding heart when it comes to this stuff. ]

[great_king_of_evil]

I do not care because these people mean nothing to me. I have never met them, I shall never meet them and they will never have any impact on my life.

Furthermore if they cannot fight for themselves, then maybe they do deserve to die. Life itself is a fight that shouldn't be cast upon the shoulders of others.

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[immortalia]

It is a selfish desire to want to save everyone imaginable, I ought to say. It is also impossible to believe that you can save thousands, if not millions of souls with just one action.

But, that is what makes humanity beautiful to me. Humans will, time and time again, go to amazing lengths and complete feats to overcome a challenge. So, if this action makes them selfish for wanting to save the lost souls from damnation, then so be it.

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Besides, anonymous, do you not have anyone that you would save? Even if it is for an antagonistic purpose, for example, that person is always your rival?

[great_king_of_evil]

It does not only make them selfish but ignorant as well. Humans rarely accomplish those amazing feats they are credited with. Only in books do they.

I have not anyone I wish to save. Not in this tower, not in my world nor anywhere else. Not any more. However even if I did, I would follow reasons before a foolish course of action.

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[bashfulshifter]

[Late to the party, as usual, but Rick really needs a good think before he can address these kinds of posts, and this one's a doozy.]

I don't think I understand.

If you're saying that we don't have people left on our worlds--or other worlds--that we care about, then...I'm sorry, but that's incorrect. As far as I know, I'm the only one who's been saved from where I'm from, which means my best friends--my wife--are still there, and I want to save them more than anything. So I'm assuming that's not what you meant?

Otherwise, I'm guessing that you're using the "needs of the many" argument, but...again, that doesn't make a lot of sense, because if we aim to save the people we love that have been left behind, then we'll also probably save everyone else, too. It just kind of...works together, doesn't it?

I apologize if I've completely missed the point here, but I would like to help you if I can.

[great_king_of_evil]

My point is less about the people you once knew and more about those you have never met but whom we are told are in danger.

And no, it doesn't work together. If we are to fight Ruana, the battle may go much further than the current deadline we have. Before this fight is over, she may have siphoned the worlds already.

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[notayoungkitten]

[She's 99% sure she knows who this is, but she doesn't out him. Not yet, anyway.]

When it is a matter of blood, of course it matters.

[great_king_of_evil]

Elaborate.

[ Blood could mean many things to him in the context. ]

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[halfpintsorceress]

They matter to someone, though, and I really do not want to have to risk being on the receiving end of the question 'why did you let them die'?

[great_king_of_evil]

These people will die along with their entire world.

Nodbody will ask you the question, your point is moot.

[Text] You can thank Lucifel for this tag's existence.

[warriorscribe]

*He's too old for this shit. Hell, he wouldn't have even bothered sending this if he didn't have an angel over his shoulder telling him he should.*

I will say you seem to misunderstand something: Even if you believe there is no true selflessness in the world, as it seems from your repeated attempts to lead people to say they are selfish, you seem to overlook the truth that empathy exists - the very question you posed demonstrates the distinct lack of it in yourself.

And it seems as if you are refusing to try to understand empathy; rather than trying to understand the answers you receive, you try to force them to agree with you. As long as you do this, you will never see beyond your view of the world - will never have empathy or understand it. And as long as you do not understand it, you will never truly know the answer to your question.

But you were never looking for an answer, were you?

*There probably won't be a reply.*

[great_king_of_evil]

I do understand empathy however you are correct. I am unable to feel it. There is only a few emotions I can truly relate to.

You are correct. I never expected an answer. I expected to lead people to realize that they are going to lose everything if they try to save everything.

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[pengeen]

I does not matter if we haven't met most of the people back on our worlds. They're all people, just like us. They have families and friends, and lives they've worked hard to live.

You say they have their own fight while we have ours... but that's not true. The fact is, we're here right now, we're the only ones who can make a difference. We have to speak for ourselves, and for the people back on our worlds.

We have to fight our fight, and theirs.

[great_king_of_evil]

No. We do not have to fight theirs.

It is regrettable that they cannot be here, but this is how it is. If you try to save them all, you will never be able to save what is most important to you.

Are you all so blind or is this just foolishness?

[ That, is Ganondorf's nerves giving way after all these replies. ]

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[bloodlessons]

see heres something that makes a little more sense. [Wow this whole typing thing is weird and it's his first time doing it.]

someone told me before that letting innocent people die is a failure anyway. i kind of get it but as long as we survive thats better than nothing right?

[great_king_of_evil]

It is indeed, and that should be everyone's priority. As it is, people here cannot save themselves, trying to save everyone is moot.